Tiff or Rift? Why did Turkish PM tangle with Israel & storm off in Davos?
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Temporary tiff or major rift? The squabble between Israeli President Shimon Peres and Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan may have been the tip of the iceberg in Turkish Israeli relations. Obvioulsy there is some reconstructive surgery to be done.
There are deep and profound issues that are surfacing. Israel does not like the present government in Ankara and has tried to destabilize it. Also there are some issues on pipelines.
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For many years, Turkey has suffered from terrorism from a group called Ergenekon. Ergenekon has been linked to Mossad, the CIA, NATO and elements of the Turkish military.
“In early January 2009, the Turkish daily Milliyet stated that a report had found that “Mossad has been behind the Ergenekon plot to topple the Turkish government.”
Pipelines from Caspian to Medeterranean
The incident was not an isolated encounter. It takes a lot for a Turkish Prime Minister to challenge the Israeli President and make a statement that is foreceful and radical. Is USA aiding Israeli bombing in Gaza?
- You are killing people,”
- I remember two former prime ministers in your country who said they felt very happy when they were able to enter Palestine on tanks,”
- “I find it very sad that people applaud what you said. There have been many people killed. And I think that it is very wrong and it is not humanitarian.” Erdogan told Peres
- “Please let me finish,” Erdogan urged, but Ignatius responded, “we really do need to get people to dinner.”
- The Turkish premier then said, “Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I don’t think I will come back to Davos after this” - and left the podium.
- Dark Waves of Israelis attacking Gaza civilians: Why is Barack Obama silent?The packed audience at the Erdogan-Peres session appeared stunned. Haaretz
“I have known Shimon Peres for many years and I also know Erdogan,” said former Norwegian Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik. “I have never seen Shimon Peres so passionate as he was today. I think he felt Israel was being attacked by so many in the international community. He felt isolated.”“I was very sad that Erdogan left,” he added. “This was an expression of how difficult this situation is.”
Turkey’s prime minister has stormed off the stage at the World Economic Forum in Davos after a heated debate on Gaza with Israel’s president.Recep Tayyip Erdogan clashed with Shimon Peres, whose voice had risen as he made an impassioned defence of Israel’s actions, jabbing his finger.Mr Erdogan said Mr Peres had spoken so loudly to conceal his “guilt”.
He accused the moderator of not allowing him to speak and said he did not think he would return to Davos.
The Turkish PM stressed later that he had left the debate not because of his disagreements with Mr Peres but because he had been given much less time to speak than the Israeli leader.
Turkey is one of the few Muslim countries to have dealings with Israel, but relations have been under strain since the Islamist-rooted AK Party was elected to power in 2002.
Late on Thursday, a WEF official said that Mr Peres and Mr Erdogan had spoken by mobile telephone, and both men now considered the matter closed.
Dinner time
In the debate, Mr Erdogan was cut off as he attempted to reply to Mr Peres.
Many of the casualties in Gaza have been children, doctors say
Earlier the Turkish Prime Minister had made an address himself, describing Gaza as an “open-air prison”.
When the audience applauded Mr Peres, he said: “I find it very sad that people applaud what you said. You killed people. And I think that it is very wrong.”
The moderator, Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, had given him a minute to reply, then asked him to finish, saying that people needed to go to dinner.
“I do not think I will be coming back to Davos after this because you do not let me speak,” Mr Erdogan shouted before marching off the stage in front of Mr Peres, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and an elite audience of ministers and international officials.
Mr Peres had told the audience Israel was forced on to the offensive against Hamas by thousands of rockets and mortars fired into Israel.
“The tragedy of Gaza is not Israel, it is Hamas,” the Israeli leader said.
“Why did they fire rockets? There was no siege against Gaza. Why did they fight us, what did they want? There was never a day of starvation in Gaza.”
He argued that Mr Erdogan would have reacted in the same way if rockets had hit Istanbul.
More than 1,300 Palestinians and 14 Israelis were killed during the three-week conflict which began on 27 December.
At news conference later on Thursday, Mr Erdogan complained that he had been allowed to speak just 12 minutes to 25 for Mr Peres.
“I did not target at all in any way the Israeli people, President Peres or the Jewish people,” he said.
“I am a prime minister, a leader who has specifically expressly stated that anti-Semitism is a crime against humanity.”
The relations between the two countries have cooled considerably.
Despite the cool relations since the accession of the Justice and Development Party in Turkey,[11] the Israeli Foreign Ministry characterized its relations with Turkey as “perfect” in the beginning of 2006. However, in February 2006, a visit paid by Khaled Meshal, a leader of the newly elected Hamas, changed this status. Israeli diplomats went so far as to compare this visit to a possible official visit of Abdullah Öcalan (the imprisoned PKK leader) to Israel, but Turkish authorities immediately denounced this comparison as “irresponsible and erroneous”. After Khaled Meshal paid an official visit to Turkey, Turkish-Israeli relations entered a “cooling down” process. Some have suggested that this was only a public relations stunt to show the Islamic world that Turkey was on their side because Turkey had been silent in major issues important to Arabs and the Islamic community like the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the Lebanon crisis.[12]
Talks regarding the sale of Israeli Ofeq satellites and Arrow missile air-defence systems to Turkey have taken place, pending United States approval. The systems would be a generational leap for the Turkish military and intelligence capabilities
This high profile exchange of insults helped the Turskish Prime Minister at home. Thosands came to greet him at the Istanbul airport. Obvioulsy his move was popular in Turkey. However there is something deeper to this. It is rumored that the Turkish generals are very unhappy with Israel, its tactics and its agressive posture in recent years.
There have been reports of deep rooted issues between Israel and Turkey.
This map shows the major pipelines in the world. Notice the pipeline that passes through Turkey
There have been reports that Israel has demanded that Turkey extend the pipeline to Israel.
Like all conflicts this conflict may have to do with Oil and Water. Many have claimed that the real reason for the war in Iraq was the oil and more importantly the water pipeline from Iraq to Israel. This map shows the proposed pipeline as well as the US bases protecting the pipeline.
Mossad falls out with certain generals in Turkey?
Why has Ergenekon been outed?Report: Mossad behind Ergenekon plots)Report: Mossad behind Ergenekon plots)Nationalist Prof. Ozdag: The US is Behind the Ergenekon Operation)Ergenekon’s Foreign Policy Guide). According to a writer in Turkish Weekly: “Most of the Ergenekon members are anti-Semitic. “They claim that the MOSSAD has played a very dirty role in Turkish politics and aimed to divide the country into poles.”Israel may have to find a new set of people to carry out its acts of terrorism. aangirfan
1. For many years, Turkey has suffered from terrorism from a group called Ergenekon. Ergenekon has been linked to Mossad, the CIA, NATO and elements of the Turkish military. Reportedly, the aim of Ergenekon has been to allow fascist forces to control Turkey. These fascists may not all agree about policy towards Israel, Russia, Iran and the USA. Ergenekon is a Gladio-style operation.
2. Mysteriously, there have recently been many arrests of Turks who are alleged to be Ergenekon operatives. This may signal that Mossad and its friends have fallen out with certain Ergenekon generals. It may signal that the Turkish government is fed up with Mossad and the CIA using Ergenekon to carry out acts of terrorism. There may be a split within Ergenekon.
3. In early January 2009, the Turkish daily Milliyet stated that a report had found that “Mossad has been behind the Ergenekon plot to topple the Turkish government.” Fars news reported that Investigators uncovered evidence that a Jewish rabbi named Tuncay Guney, who worked for Mossad and fled to Canada in 2004, was a key figure behind attempts to overthrow the Turkish government. Sabah daily reported that Guney infiltrated Ergenekon and another organization known as JITEM, an illegal intelligence unit linked with the police and suspected of hundreds of murders and kidnappings.
Turkish daily Yeni Safak has claimed that Turkish security forces have discovered documents in Guney’s Istanbul house that disclose information concerning suspicious investment and economic activities by certain Jewish businessmen in Turkey. The businessmen allegedly have significant relations with individuals, political groups and cultural organizations affiliated with the Ergenekon group.
Turkish security forces have detained many members of the Ergenekon group, including retired army generals, politicians, popular lawyers and famous journalists. The individuals currently face trail on charges of plotting to overthrow Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
4. On 22 January 2009, Prof. Dr. Umit Ozdag stated that the United States is the real power behind the Ergenekon Operation in Turkey. Mr. Ozdag said “The US aims to establish a federal Turkey instead of unitary Turkish state”. Prof. Ozdag claimed that the European Union (EU) too makes efforts to shift Turkey’s unitary state into an ethnic based federal Turkey state.
5. A report in Turkish Weekly, 23 January 2009, suggests that some Ergenekon people may have turned against the USA and Israel.
4. So, it would seem that Ergenekon’s problems may be caused by a split within Ergenekon. Israel may be outing anti-Israel members of Ergenekon; and anti-Israel members of Ergenekon may be outing pro-Israel members of Ergenekon.
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